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Suppafly
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I´d say being virus-safe is the rule for all people who install all the patches and keep the antivirus up to date,,,isnt it?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| You simply describe a tiny minority of Windows users there. Yes, it's probably the case for them, until the next *new* virus comes out. That they are safe (for a while) doesn't make Windows a secure OS. The mere fact that you refer to patches indicates the state of Windows' security. |
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Suppafly
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Well..theres this thing called auto update. And if you leave it on, it automatically downloads and installes the patches....that isnt too hard to do isnt it?
BTW no OS is 100% safe either...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Please don't ignore my previous messages. I told you that the mean time before an unprotected PC gets infected is 20 minutes. Let me spell it out for you. A user buys Windows XP, installs it, connects to the internet and starts auto update. How long does it take to install all the patches? He might even have a slow internet connection. During that time his PC is wide open. It doesn't matter that he installed anti-virus software, because Windows XP has by default several network services enabled. A trojan doesn't even have to exploit a bug! (to use one of those services) Saying that no OS is 100% safe is no excuse for Windows (XP) being totally unsecure. Don't even start about Windows 9x (which you suggested Jagasian could buy). |
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Suppafly
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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and wouldnt someone be able to download the SP1 and burn it to a disc before reinstalling or installing windows XP? Its just a manner of planning..
and that "20 minute timeframe" you are mentioning is based on ONE report by a software firm. I have installed several times windows xp to some clients (I´d say probably 25-35 times), left the PC on downloading the updates and not ONCE has any of them become infected in the process. So that report´s research method has yet to be specified...i just dont think thats a common situation
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:46 pm Post subject: Win XP |
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Every time I first Install until you can get the updates I kept getting pop up from windows message servi telling me my computer was not safe and pop up to porn links.
All this while you are downloading the updates.
Then if you get that waring that says your compute will shut down in 30 seconds. You start over and over.
XP is shit to install but once you update it and update it and update it.
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Jagasian
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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The main reason that I like Linux is that it is free and open in its implementation, its community, and its development process. I can see how it works, and change things to suite my needs. One such thing that I can do on Linux that can't be done on Windows is that I can have my USB mouse sampled at 500hz, while Windows only samples at 125hz for USB mice. This is a really big deal for gamers, especially people that like to play fast paced first person shooters like Doom, Quake, and Unreal... not to mention the fact that my mouse is extremely smooth for desktop use.
Whenever I find myself on a Windows computer, even if it has the same hardware... the mouse feels inferior.
Anyway, this 500hz sample rate for mice is possible because you can change the Linux source code and recompile your own custom OS. USB devices report to the host computer how fast they should be polled. For some reason, mice always report that they should be polled every 10 miliseconds or every 8 miliseconds, when in fact they can easily be polled every 2 miliseconds with no bad side effects!
I even wrote a small program for calculating the rate at which the mouse actually generates new data when you move it. Sure enough it can generate data as fast as every 2 miliseconds. I tried to see if sampling at 1000hz made any difference, but according to my app the mouse wasn't generating data any faster than 500hz.
In conclusion, if you like paying for and using Microsoft windows, then that is just fine, but don't expect me to send any money Microsoft's way. |
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Suppafly
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Its great that your mouse is great for PC games...however how many of the ..lets say ...top 50 computer games are compatible out of the box with linux?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Suppafly wrote: | | and wouldnt someone be able to download the SP1 and burn it to a disc before reinstalling or installing windows XP? |
You know the answer to that question just as well as I do. Of course that's possible. But it doesn't help the users who just bought their new PC and a copy of Windows XP.
| Suppafly wrote: | | Its just a manner of planning.. |
No it isn't! It's a matter of a company who doesn't give a damn about security!
| Suppafly wrote: | | and that "20 minute timeframe" you are mentioning is based on ONE report by a software firm. |
The SANS Institute is *not* a software firm. It doesn't matter that it's one report. What matters is the size of the data set they base their conclusion on.
| Suppafly wrote: | | I have installed several times windows xp to some clients (I´d say probably 25-35 times), left the PC on downloading the updates and not ONCE has any of them become infected in the process. |
It all depends on the computing environment, of course. Also, it's a _mean_ value. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that you're in Mexico. See segabob's post.
| Suppafly wrote: | | So that report´s research method has yet to be specified...i just dont think thats a common situation |
They claim to gather "more than 3,000,000 intrusion detection log entries every day". I tend to value the statements of such an organisation more than someone who has installed Windows XP around 30 times.
| Suppafly wrote: | | Its great that your mouse is great for PC games...however how many of the ..lets say ...top 50 computer games are compatible out of the box with linux? |
Could you be so kind to please stop polluting this thread by switching topic every time you loose an argument? It's completely irrelevant how many of the top 50 games run under GNU/Linux. |
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Suppafly
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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All the "money" you save by usign linux is lost in TIME it takes to get all the apps to run LOL
Dont get mad, this is a civilized argument. And i dont feel i have lost any argument yet.
How many popular games run out of the box on linux? 10%??
I´d rather be careful and use windows, rather than spending HOURS AND HOURS on configuring games and apps to run on linux 
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Suppafly wrote: | | All the "money" you save by usign linux is lost in TIME it takes to get all the apps to run LOL |
I consider it bad manners not to take the previous posts into account:
| JohnDie wrote: | | Concerning the latest posts in this thread: It's not a question of the price of Windows, it's the "free" that counts. |
You clearly misunderstood what JohnDie and Jagasian meant with free. I suggest you read this.
| Suppafly wrote: | | Dont get mad, this is a civilized argument. |
I don't think anyone who has posted in this thread is angry.
| Suppafly wrote: | | And i dont feel i have lost any argument yet. |
Well, you did. I mentioned that it is an exception to the rule that you haven't had a virus on your PC since 1997. You avoided my point and responded by referring to what is common for a different set of people. I replied. You started talking about auto update and used the argument that no OS is 100% safe. I addressed your points. You avoided one of my points again, and started about SP1, which doesn't come with the official XP installation CD. Then segabob posted his message showing how fast his PC was targeted by a trojan horse. This is where you lost a major point. Then Jagasian explained why he likes GNU/Linux. Then you tried to wander off again, by asking how many modern games work under GNU/Linux.
| Suppafly wrote: | | How many popular games run out of the box on linux? 10%?? |
More like less than 1%. Well, _native_ games. There are probably quite a few that run well under Cedega.
| Suppafly wrote: | | I´d rather be careful and use windows, and save HOURS AND HOURS on configuring games and apps to run on linux :lol: |
Then please do. Don't assume others like to do the same. |
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Suppafly
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yes, it must be so fun spending hours to *try* to run a game or app on my PC with linux ...seems like i´ll be switching to it *dripping with sarcasm*
Im having a blast with this thread..please quote my comments again
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Now you start acting like a troll, but I'll reply anyway.
| Suppafly wrote: | | Oh yes, it must be so fun spending hours to *try* to run a game or app on my PC with linux ...seems like i´ll be switching to it *dripping with sarcasm* |
Usually it doesn't take hours to get a program running. More like minutes. Many programs are distributed in the form of a package, an RPM for example. If there's only source code it's usually no more difficult than getting the right support libraries and do a "./configure; make; make install". What *can* be nasty is getting Windows software to run under GNU/Linux.
| Suppafly wrote: | | Im having a blast with this thread..please quote my comments again |
I'll continue doing this as long as it takes. |
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Suppafly
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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To each his own i guess. You like linux, i like windows. Sorry for the sarcasm its just that you seen kinda upset......
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I do? Well, I'm not. |
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